Proposition 8: Misplaced Hate

Bert & Ernie? Uh, no

Bert & Ernie? Uh, no

You’ve heard by now that Proposition 8, to renew the ban on Gay marriage in California, passed with 52.5% of the vote. Given the national unpopularity of Gay marriage I was pretty unsurprised, especially given the large Latino and Black populations in California, that it passed. It was likely to pass as soon as it was put on the ballot by an astonishing 1.2M people who signed a petition to put the Constitutional Amendment on the ballot.

Now, even though the ‘Yes’ and ‘No’ coalitions raised $35.8M and $37.6M respectively, there’s some DC blogger calling for a ‘boycott of Utah‘ because the Mormon church supplied tens of millions of dollars to the ‘Yes’ coalition.

“The main focus is going to be going after the Utah brand. At this point, honestly, we’re going to destroy the Utah brand. It is a hate state.”

So the solution is to stereotype the entire state of Utah for stereotyping homosexual marriage. The irony is so thick.

I think the real problem is that people aren’t going to vote for gay marriage, not that they were brainwashed into voting against it. Even our uber-Liberal President-Elect is against it. Also, the fact that Black voters (who voted 70% for Prop 8) came out in record numbers to vote for said President played a big part in this. So they were brainwashed by the Mormons? I’m confused.

Personally, I wouldn’t have voted for or against Prop 8 because I think the whole gay marriage thing is a waste of time, just like the flag burning amendment. Just have some kind of union for gays that has all the rights of a marriage, and make up a name for it. People would vote for that, but I guess the angry gay groups wouldn’t settle for that. Instead, we have to watch gay marriage propositions get shot down every time they get voted on. What a waste of time and money.

Another thing I don’t get: “They just took marriage away from 20,000 couples and made their children bastards.”

Wait, wait, wait, somebody needs to explain to me how gay people make babies. Do they get a 3rd person to donate the egg-uterus/sperm and then keep that person around as an Aunt/Uncle? That sounds like a disaster. And what’s with the punitive slam on bastards? Aren’t we past looking down on children from unwed parents? I never mentioned the guys name, but he’s the editor at AmericaBlog.

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13 responses to “Proposition 8: Misplaced Hate

  1. chouchou

    “Just have some kind of union for gays that has all the rights of a marriage, and make up a name for it.”

    Yes, actually, we’ve done that in California. It’s called a domestic partnership. The people of California did not vote to take away rights from gay couples, just to disallow them the name “marriage.”

  2. You really are a vicious and hateful bigot.

  3. Brett

    The advocates of gay marriage simply want a scapegoat to blame for their loss in California. Why do they protest the LDS Church and not protest in black areas in california? Are they afraid for their safety in some black areas in California and its much safer to protest in from of a LDS Temple?

    They protest the money that individual members donated to prop 8 as if money was the factor that decided the result. If that where true than Prop 8 would have failed since more money was spent by the opponents of prop 8 than those that support it. The money donations by LDS members is a red herring.

    My only criticism of the LDS Church involvement in the Prop 8 is not that they had a right to encourage members in encouraging the passage of Prop 8 but that the need was probably completely unnecessary. How many times has the gay marriage issue come up in elections and gay marriage has been rejected by voters? What happened in the 2004 elections. Fox News in 2004 reported

    “The amendments won, often by huge margins, in Arkansas (search), Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Ohio, Utah and Oregon — the one state where gay-rights activists hoped to prevail. The bans won by a 3-to-1 margin in Kentucky, Georgia and Arkansas, 3-to-2 in Ohio, and 6-to-1 in Mississippi.”

    Outside of Utah, can one say that LDS played an important role in gay marriage being defeated? Of course not because Gay Marriage is simply not popular. The general population rejects it and I have enough confidence in the people of California on this issue that they would have rejected it as well without any LDS Church encouragement. Prop 8 won by about 500000 votes. THis suggests that even if every LDS voter in California did not even vote on Nov 4th that Prop 8 STILL would have passed.

    Get over it gay marriage supporters. You lost because the majority of the population does not support your cause. Gay marriage is a farce. It’s no more of a legitimate marriage than a circle is a legitimate square. Work for domestic partnerships or civil unions but stop trying to equate “gay marriage” to real marriage. The population just will not be fooled you your nonsense

  4. Professor DAvid

    Professor Gene Sessions, a Mormon, historian and authority on the massacre has concluded:

    “… some 50 Mormons taking orders from local ecclesiastical leaders actually went out and tricked these 120 people out of their encampment with a white flag and then proceeded to murder them in cold blood with the exception of 17 small children. …

    “It’s an awful story, you can’t put a smilie face on it. This was cold-blooded murder of innocent people. Occasionally someone will come up to me and say, ‘Well don’t you think they deserved it?’ And, no I don’t think they deserved it. I don’t care how many of the stories you believe about whatever the immigrants did to get killed, nothing they did came anywhere close to justifying the murder of little children and the oldest child saved was six-years and 11 months old. Everyone older than that was murdered. In fact most of the murdered people were women and children. So there’s no justification. Even if you wanted to make some justification for killing the men, it breaks down pretty fast. It’s just- there’s no justification for the murder of these people. …”

  5. Professor DAvid

    mormon mountain meadows massacre

    Professor Gene Sessions, a Mormon, historian and authority on the massacre has concluded:

    “… some 50 Mormons taking orders from local ecclesiastical leaders actually went out and tricked these 120 people out of their encampment with a white flag and then proceeded to murder them in cold blood with the exception of 17 small children. …

    “It’s an awful story, you can’t put a smilie face on it. This was cold-blooded murder of innocent people. Occasionally someone will come up to me and say, ‘Well don’t you think they deserved it?’ And, no I don’t think they deserved it. I don’t care how many of the stories you believe about whatever the immigrants did to get killed, nothing they did came anywhere close to justifying the murder of little children and the oldest child saved was six-years and 11 months old. Everyone older than that was murdered. In fact most of the murdered people were women and children. So there’s no justification. Even if you wanted to make some justification for killing the men, it breaks down pretty fast. It’s just- there’s no justification for the murder of these people. …”

  6. chouchou, thank you for the info.

    libhomo, come on man. I’m just saying that from a strategic and political perspective that it would make sense to secure national Civil Unions/Partnerships before jumping the gun on gay marriage.

    Personally, I think a loving relationship doesn’t need the institutional (government/church) validation of marriage. It’s a meaningless label. Securing the real-life implications of Civil Unions should be seen as much more important.

  7. Brett, you may find these interesting. I’ve been collecting pictures of these disagreeing faces during the protests, including the defacing of the LA Temple. The pictures generally portrayed in the news are tame in comparison, even though all these are out there…they’re not widely circulated.

    http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/pride-predjudice-prop8-rage/

    We all had the chance to vote. I’m glad I did, but now to see the side which claimed tolerance and love participate in this kind of bigotry is pretty sobering. The mask just fell off.

  8. Ryan

    I always thought Pat Buchanan made a brilliant observation when he said: “There is a religious war going on in our country for the soul of America. It is a cultural war, as critical to the kind of nation we will one day be as was the Cold War itself.”

    I happen to fall on the progressive side of the battle, but I get the sense that people on both sides are terrified of losing. That’s why I think the Founding Fathers had it right when they left everything up to the states. Issues like abortion and gay marriage aren’t things that people will just easily come to a consensus on.

    Perhaps if the anti-federalists had gotten their way, there’d be a state where pot and hookers were totally legal, and maybe another one where you were required by law to marry your cousins. That seems like the best solution to this whole mess.

  9. Ryan, I couldn’t agree more. Things should be state issues. But a huge problem I see with that is how the states aren’t “drawn” correctly. In other words, there are some states that should be combined and other states that should be broken up. In my view, this would solve a number of problems including Senate representation, more intra-state economic independence, and more intra-state social agreement.

    For example, any reasonable human being when given a map of the US with nothing but cities and populations on it would split California into 3 states and include parts of Nevada in these new states. In fact, the other splits seem obvious to me too. I’m going to get a blank map and draw borders for where the states should be. This might take awhile.

  10. rob

    thats not what the government is for (in my opinion). I mean, there is absolutely zero measurable effect on anybodys life if gay people can get married. it makes the gays super happy, and the not-gays pissy. so what? nowehere in the constitution does it say the government has an obligation to cater to people’s every little personal hang-up. when people bring the bible into the equation (again in my opinion) it just completely discredits their argument

  11. ”when people bring the bible into the equation (again in my opinion) it just completely discredits their argument”

    An excellent statement, Rob. In my opinion.

    ”somebody needs to explain to me how gay people make babies”

    For lesbian couples it’s easy as hell. Male (gay) friends. Sperm banks. And! At the sperm bank they can choose the very best genes obtainable. The only question is who of the two should give birth.

    For gays it’s of course much more difficult to have a baby. A gay aquaintance of mine has ‘donated’ his sperm to a befriended lesbian couple, who wanted their child to have a father around now and then. He fathers his little girl Siobhan two days a month. For him and his partner and also for the two mothers this is a comfortable situation.

    The other day I saw a gay couple in a restaurant with three (very active and naughty) children. All girls, to make matters worse 😉 I assume these men have an arrangement with a lesbian couple, as discribed above.

    @ Beetlebabee

    Those pictures are disgusting. Especially the fat woman in the blue shirt on the first picture. Obnoxious. All the people in those pictures should be denied to ever get married. To whomsoever.

  12. rob

    haha, the chick in the blue shirt is atrocious-looking.

  13. rob

    haha, the chick in the blue shirt is atrocious-looking

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